sur AVS, sdrucker a écrit:Originally Posted by AustinJerry qui a écrit:
I'm not sure what you are saying.
Most of us here have an objective of getting the best sound as possible in our listening environments. Each of us has one or more constraints, be it WAF, a smallish room, a leased condo, a small budget, etc. that forces us to make compromises. Our collective experience seems to suggest that there is an order of activities on the path towards improvement, listed in the following order, most important to least important:
- Optimum room layout and equipment placement (facilitated by measuring equipment)
- Selective room treatments (also facilitated by measuring equipment)
- Use of room correction technology (MultEQ XT is good, MultEQ XT32 is better)
- Results fine-tuning (facilitated by measuring equipment, and in some cases, the configurability of the Pro kit)
Room layout and room treatments are subject to WAF, of course, but there are solutions available that could be acceptable. However, one cannot skip the first two steps on the list and expect to achieve the goal of an excellent-sounding listening room with room correction alone. And one cannot expect very good results at all by not being able to measure progress.
So saying that the value of the Pro kit is that it gets you to good sound easier than using REW or room treatments is missing the point.
I'm one of those people with WAF and a leased condo, as well as XT32 with a Pro Kit, and I couldn't agree more with Jerry. And nary a treatment, other than wall to wall carpeting in our HT/living room, since I have limited placement options for them and it's a multipurpose family room for us. It also has some baby stuff due to our three-month-old test tone fan smile.gif. But REW and the UMM-6 mic are probably the most essential tools in my room correction. I couldn't be happy without some automated room correction, but correcting my room would be wholly inadequate without measuring tools.
Why? Because no REQ in the world (other than possibly the $12K+ professional units with Trinnov that have fully featured 3D Remapping) offers the flexibility that complete control over room placement and treatments with measuring offers. And they cannot make all your decisions for you. They can only offer a shortcut to room "nirvana" on their own.
The problem with Audyssey - with and without Pro - is that you may 'think' the room has been corrected. But without measuring the impact of different placement and alternate crossovers, you're relying in crude graphs (even Pro's after graph is 1/3 octave smoothing) that only look at one speaker at a time, with no speaker/sub interactions. Further, these are predicted responses, not actual observed in your room. And you do not get more than frequency response charts. You could have your entire sub performance ring into a single note and without measuring with a waterfall or spectrogram, be reliant on faulty auditory memory or worse, blind faith, that your REQ has solved the problem because a Pro graph looks flat. No matter how many Seaton Submersives or how powerful your amp may be.
Thanks to measuring, I've integrated powered speakers with subs more efficiently, restored 'bass slam', better placed my center channel to enhance dialog, and added ambience to my room with surrounds, which compared to the real pros like AJ, Keith or some guys on the REW thread, is the tip of the iceberg. I couldn't have done it as well without Audyssey Pro (and I personally think the Target Curve Editor is overly maligned by some, Keith smile.gif considering how limited the alternatives are for mains with Audyssey), but absolutely not with any flavor of Audyssey at the end of the day to my satisfaction without REW or OmniMic. In my view, using REQ with room correction is like operating with one eye closed, and one hand holding an iPhone smile.gif.
Besides, this Is A/V Science, not the 'faith in room correction' forum IMO. YMMV of course, but after almost two years as a 'serious' Audyssey user/audiophool, my POV.
On the other hand, there's something to be said for liking what we here and avoiding temptation of measuring as a vocation rater than a hobby....