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Cliff Stephenson a écrit:For BD ability, I’m now going back to my XXX disc and BD in general. Had this format and these titles launched in early April, I would have been happy. Unfortunately for Blu-ray, HD-DVD launched in mid-April and did two things to impair BD: They’ve gotten more titles out to consumers and they’ve provided an HD experience that is better than BD. Now the difference isn’t huge, but it should be noticeable, even to people who might not normally see these kinds of things.
Sorry to have to say it, but BD is an unimpressive format in the shadow of HD-DVD.
Had they happened in reverse, HD-DVD would have had to work hard to impress upon people that buying their player (even at half the price of BD) was worth the effort for the slight improvement they offered. Now, BD is in a position to justify a premium for a product that is slightly inferior to what is already available. When I first cracked open the HD-A1 in April and popped in that Last Samurai HD-DVD, I was wowed with what I thought to be the best HD image my television had ever produced. The HD image was smooth and rich with a sharpness and depth I’d never experienced. Most of the HD-DVD titles released thus far (with a few now famous exceptions) have this “pop” that takes them out of the realm of what I would consider normal HD.
The Blu-ray discs I’ve sampled thus far, while they’ve looked good to even great, have all lacked that “pop” and instead generally look a lot closer to good OTA HD broadcasts. If you were to show me the XXX BD and tell me it was a Showtime broadcast, I wouldn’t hesitate to think you were telling me the truth. But I would never believe that about most of the HD-DVD titles out there right now.
In all of the BD titles I viewed there’s a consistent soft, yet noisy quality to the images that appears as a mixture of natural film grain and digital noise. Fine details, such as rocks on the ground or wall textures, are often seen flickering slightly, which is often annoying.
I’m also curious about how many of these initial discs are truly 1080p. I saw more stairstepping and artifacting throughout one viewing of XXX than I have in 2+ months of HD-DVD viewings. Here’s a few moments for reference… at :38 the tail of the Revolutions logo there is some pretty good banding visible. Right after that, serious jaggies on the XXX logo that starts the film. At 32:08, look at the grill of the car for more jaggies while 10 seconds later, at 32:18, you’ll also get some pretty good stairstepping at the base of the balcony.
Blu-ray, unfortunately, has failed to go “Beyond High Definition.”
Laprodex a écrit:Carbo avec équipement calibré ISFCarbo a écrit:The setup was a Panny AE900 projector, Yamaha Z9 receiver, and Klipsh ref speakers. With a HDMI switcher and some wires thrown in for fun.
I used T1, 5th and Underworld for Blueray and for HD DVD I used Riddick, Samurai, Serenity, and Van Helsing. Beckinsdale was the common factor since we don't have the same titles for both formats.
HD-DVD > Blu-RayCarbo a écrit:Picture Quality.
This is where HD DVD shines. It just looks better. It has more detail. You can see pores on peoples faces, hair looks more defined and the overall image is just more detailed and 3d like. Blueray drops the ball here. It looks smoother. The colors seem to have more punch but when I had guests over to view some movies it did not have the same wow factor HD DVD had. I thinks it comes down to the storage limitations with blueray discs, but it doesn't help that the trailers are also in high def so they wasted space on the extras instead of using it on the movie. Not all the extras are HD only the trailers, but I haven't tried all of them and I am not a big user of these features. I would rather have the quality go to the title like HD DVD did. I don't believe anything is HD except for the movie itself(feel free to correct me if I am wrong. THe only thing I usually watch is trailers).
On regular dvds both do a fine job playing and upconverting them. I think both players do a better job with 1080i output then 720p. The Toshiba definitely stinks in this department with 720p. The samsung doesn't look bad with 720p but I think on the HD titles both machines look better outputting 1080. They both seem to kill the picture with 720p. More so when the Toshiba downconverts. Maybe because it looks so good in 1080i.
Audio:
Sound advantage goes to Blueray. It is the exact opposite of picture with blueray showing more detail and definition between channels. Both are fine though and something I don't think most consumers will be able to catch.
Conclusion.
Both formats are nice and both are a nice leap over standard dvds. But if I was a consumer walking into a store and was only going to get one right now I would have to go with HD DVD. Picture quality is what I am looking for and HD DVD delivers.
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Les BD T1, 5th & Underworld de Carbo ont une piste PCM 5.1, et ses HD-DVD Riddick, Samurai, Serenity & Van Helsing uniquement DD+.
plazman a écrit:1. Look and feel: Edge Samsung (smaller, lighter, piano black finish)
2. Build quality: Edge Tosh (XA-1 is built like a tank!)
4. Load time: Edge Samsung (15-20 seconds load time advantage)
5. Remote control function: Edge Tosh
6. Remote design: Tie (Tosh is back-lit and better build, the Samsung is more like a regular remote, I recommend a universal remote like Harmony 880 for both)
7. Player Menu Navigation: Edge Tosh
8. SD DVD play-back (480p): Edge Tosh (this is a change from my initial impressions)
9. SD DVD upconversion (1080i): Edge Tosh (Tosh does better with poorer quality materials. I was initially only looking at super-bit DVD)
10. SD Audio: Edge Tosh over analog, Tie over digital
11. HD Video: Edge Tosh (so far based on only 2 BD disks)
12. HD Audio: Edge Tosh over analog, tie over digital
13. Price: Edge Tosh (XA-1 and A-1)
14. HD Movie Menu Design: Edge HD DVD
15. HD Navigaton: Edge Tosh (hour glass on several occasions while navigating HD menu).
16. Overall value and performance: Edge Tosh.
remaisisqo a écrit:Le prix du cable doit valoir le prix de mon projo donc je pense que oui![]()
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I am currently in the situation where I have added a $1,000 product that doesn't seem to be performing better than an existing product at home that does the same thing!
I had the same problem when we had 2 50 in plasmas. In general my wife is pretty supportive - as long as she believes it's progress.
onkyo10 a écrit:c'est quand m^me malheureux pour les propriétaires de samsung, qui a déjà déboursé 1000$ et qu'on continue de le qqualifer d'entrée de gamme et le meilleur encore à venir , càd Sony et pioneer à 1500$...je ne sais pas jusqu'où va la surenchère..moi qui croyait ce qui va venir doit être plus performant et moins cher...qu'est ce que va être comme prix les BR Rotel , Marantz et Arcam![]()
ray ferrier a écrit:Sans remettre en cause la qualité du BR puisque les vrais bons lecteur de Sony ou Pionneer ne sont pas encore sortis. J'ai bien peur que même si ceux ci seront de grande qualité que le prix risque d'en rebuter plus d'un.
BennJ 57 a écrit:Sony va faire de même avec sa PS3...
Un lecteur BRD + console pour pas cher entre guillemets... Après le grand public n'a pas nos attentes et même si le lecteur BRD de la PS3 ne sera pas le meilleur il sera déja largement meilleur qu'un simple lecteur DVD pour que les gens disent que c'est génial bla bla ! Quand je vois le nombre de personne qui trouve la qualité des Divx HD géniale ya pas à s'inquiéter pour la qualité des films sur la console de Sony
mynameisfedo a écrit:ray ferrier a écrit:Sans remettre en cause la qualité du BR puisque les vrais bons lecteur de Sony ou Pionneer ne sont pas encore sortis. J'ai bien peur que même si ceux ci seront de grande qualité que le prix risque d'en rebuter plus d'un.
tout est relatif: si on parle du consommateur lambda, je suis en partie d'accord.
mais la dernière fois que je me suis rendu en voiture à la fnac (parly2: parking souterrain pour la fnac) pour regarder l'offre de tv plates, il y a un mec qui s'est garé juste à côté de ma saxo (vts, mais bon..). pour info, le mec était au volant d'une ferrari.. alors, je suppose que claquer 1500 euros pour une platine, ça ne doit pas lui faire peur...
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