et pour le floating black et rising black :
suite : http://hdguru.com/panasonic-proclaims-h ... -tvs/4241/
Rising Blacks and Floating Blacks
The 2009 V series had rising minimum black levels confirmed by tests performed by CNet’s David Katzmaier A small number of persons on some TV forums claim “floating blacks” occur at times on earlier Panasonic plasmas during changes of average picture brightness levels. HD Guru has not seen this on any Panasonic plasma tested to date.
Due to pending litigation, Panasonic US would not comment on these topics, however, in a meeting last week of European journalists with Panasonic executives, Andrew Everard of whathifi.com (link) writes Panasonic has eliminated the issue with their 2011 models. Here is the quote ” Oh and by the way – and for those who obsessively niggle at these things on forums worldwide – both the rising and floating black problems have been addressed, and are sorted in 2011 models. There’s now no black level shift to compensate for stabilising brightness levels after initial use…”
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- realzven
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Si je comprends bien, plus de noirs flottants ?
- SuperLumberjack
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- Pierrot926
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Bon si j'ai bien compris et après avoir lu les 29 pages, Le G30 semble le plus approprié pour moi.
Si je désire changer de TV et comme la 3D ne m'intéresse pas du tout, ce modèle parait tout indiqué à faire mon bonheur.
Si je désire changer de TV et comme la 3D ne m'intéresse pas du tout, ce modèle parait tout indiqué à faire mon bonheur.
- Guts59
- Messages: 1723
- Inscription Forum: 01 Sep 2008 23:18
Tout dépendra des retours sur le ST30, qui partage la meme dalle que le GT et VT.
je cherche un 46/50 dans les 1000euros donc j'attend avec impatience un comparatif G30 vs ST30.
je cherche un 46/50 dans les 1000euros donc j'attend avec impatience un comparatif G30 vs ST30.
- Miqualke
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- Inscription Forum: 22 Juil 2009 11:39
Le ST30 est pourvu de la 3D, il me semble, donc ça m'intéresse pas.
Et puis, le prix des 2 appareils n'est pas le même non plus...
1000 euros... C'est juste pour un G30 (annoncé à 1200 euros)
Le ST30 ça sera plus cher, 1400 euros apparemment.
J'attends aussi les tests pour me décider.
Et puis, le prix des 2 appareils n'est pas le même non plus...
1000 euros... C'est juste pour un G30 (annoncé à 1200 euros)
Le ST30 ça sera plus cher, 1400 euros apparemment.
J'attends aussi les tests pour me décider.
- Guts59
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Pierrot926 a écrit:Un petit test du GT30. Cà a l'air cool !
http://www.erenumerique.fr/televiseur_p ... 847-1.html
Par contre je suis désagréablement surpris de la consommation d'électricité qui apparement est la même que les modèles de 2010, aucun progrès ! Peut on esperer des mesures différentes sur les VT30 qui sont annoncés moins gourmands qu'en 2010 ? (personnellement j'en doute à la lecture de ce test sur le GT30)
- CRS
- Messages: 1124
- Inscription Forum: 30 Sep 2006 14:54
Le test du GT30 ne fait pas apparaître une amélioration très explicite : contraste proches du GT20, la colorimétrie je vois pas trop en quoi il peut y avoir une amélioration (deja fidèle sur un GT20) et test un peu bordélique, y a rien sur le niveau de noir et peu de mesures.
Faudra voir d'autres tests plus "sérieux" on dirait.
Faudra voir d'autres tests plus "sérieux" on dirait.
- Shadow95580
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- Inscription Forum: 03 Jan 2011 4:25
Avec le tremblement de terre et le tsunami on ne risque pas de voir arriver la nouvelle gamme de si tôt .... Plein d'entrepôts et fabriques de Panasonic ont été touchés !
- Pierrot926
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On patientera, ce n'est évidemment pas la priorité au Japon actuellement, parait il qu'un nouveau séisme a eu lieu cette nuit...
- Guts59
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Bad news sur AVS , D-Nice a découvert su le ST30 du "Floating black/Floating White/screen flicker/fluctuating brightness
lien : http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthre ... st20165980
- Quote 1:
Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post
PQ wise, the ST30 equals the 4280HD I have in most cases. The 4280 has slightly better blacks on low APL scenes, but thats about it. Both noticeably glow when compared to 2nd gen Kuros.... even during the day.
- Quote 2 :
Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post
Ugggh!
It looks like I'm going to have to retract my comments from this post. I seem to have found some content that brings the ST30 to its knees. I'm currently watching Earth: Making of a Planet on NatGeoHD and not only have I found solarization/posturization, I've found scenes that induce floating blacks!!!
One example is when the camera circles the asteroid that hit the Earth 65 million years ago, you can clearly see the asteroid brighten and dim as the camera swings around it. Not good. None of this is present on my 101FD.
So it looks as if floating blacks are still present, just greatly reduced.
- Quote 3 :
Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post
Hmmm,
I wonder if this should be called floating blacks. The asteriod was fluctuating in brightness (and in other scenes, the entire screen). I'm thinking it should be classified as screen flicker or fluctuating brightness levels. What do you guys think?
- Quote 4 :
Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post
I don't want to discourage you. The fluctuating brightness does not happen all the time. Its just something I noticed.
Solarization/banding has been apart of Panasonics for years. Its reduced from last year but is still there and probably will always be there until they truly change how they drive their displays.
- Quote 5 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthre ... 98&page=17) :
Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post
Its more like fluctuating brightness than floating blacks. It seems to be happening on low to mid APL scenes within Earth: Making of a Planet.
lien : http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthre ... st20165980
- Quote 1:
Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post
PQ wise, the ST30 equals the 4280HD I have in most cases. The 4280 has slightly better blacks on low APL scenes, but thats about it. Both noticeably glow when compared to 2nd gen Kuros.... even during the day.
- Quote 2 :
Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post
Ugggh!
It looks like I'm going to have to retract my comments from this post. I seem to have found some content that brings the ST30 to its knees. I'm currently watching Earth: Making of a Planet on NatGeoHD and not only have I found solarization/posturization, I've found scenes that induce floating blacks!!!
One example is when the camera circles the asteroid that hit the Earth 65 million years ago, you can clearly see the asteroid brighten and dim as the camera swings around it. Not good. None of this is present on my 101FD.
So it looks as if floating blacks are still present, just greatly reduced.
- Quote 3 :
Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post
Hmmm,
I wonder if this should be called floating blacks. The asteriod was fluctuating in brightness (and in other scenes, the entire screen). I'm thinking it should be classified as screen flicker or fluctuating brightness levels. What do you guys think?
- Quote 4 :
Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post
I don't want to discourage you. The fluctuating brightness does not happen all the time. Its just something I noticed.
Solarization/banding has been apart of Panasonics for years. Its reduced from last year but is still there and probably will always be there until they truly change how they drive their displays.
- Quote 5 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthre ... 98&page=17) :
Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post
Its more like fluctuating brightness than floating blacks. It seems to be happening on low to mid APL scenes within Earth: Making of a Planet.
- realzven
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- Inscription Forum: 13 Mar 2010 15:19
Suite sur HDJ,
lien : http://www.highdefjunkies.com/showthrea ... read/page6
- Quote 1 :
After reviewing the scenes about 20 times, I think this should be called fluctuating brightness or screen flicker. Hopefully someone else can replicate this.
- Quote 2 :
Objects and the entire image are fluctuating in brightness.
So far, yes. This seems to be a true torture test for the ST30. I'm seeing horrible banding.... especially in the "Snowball Earth" and underwater scenes. Its a real mess. None if this is apparent on my 101FD.
- Quote 3 :
I do see the banding on grayscale ramps. The fluctuating brightness is definitely interesting.
- Quote 4 :
Dammit! I just saw the fluctuating brightness again. Dukes of Hazzard on Universal HD (please don't ask why I'm watching this). This time it was more of a flicker than anything.
lien : http://www.highdefjunkies.com/showthrea ... read/page6
- Quote 1 :
After reviewing the scenes about 20 times, I think this should be called fluctuating brightness or screen flicker. Hopefully someone else can replicate this.
- Quote 2 :
Objects and the entire image are fluctuating in brightness.
So far, yes. This seems to be a true torture test for the ST30. I'm seeing horrible banding.... especially in the "Snowball Earth" and underwater scenes. Its a real mess. None if this is apparent on my 101FD.
- Quote 3 :
I do see the banding on grayscale ramps. The fluctuating brightness is definitely interesting.
- Quote 4 :
Dammit! I just saw the fluctuating brightness again. Dukes of Hazzard on Universal HD (please don't ask why I'm watching this). This time it was more of a flicker than anything.
- realzven
- Messages: 10439
- Inscription Forum: 13 Mar 2010 15:19
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